We know that individuals develop all of their lives. Terri O’Fallon’s current research supports 12 human levels of development. While these levels relate to and are expressed by the individual, there is also a corresponding collective developmental experience and expression. In this conversation, Patricia Albere and Terri O’Fallon, teacher and researcher, will explore the developmental qualities and experiences that arise in the collective realm, and how consciousness iterates from a concrete collective experience, to a subtle collective experience to a causal (very subtle, or “emptiful”) experience.